ndab Ah Yes, Medical School: Tales From The Crypt III: ANGEL Wars

Tuesday, May 03, 2005

Tales From The Crypt III: ANGEL Wars

Towards the end of last year, after almost 11 straight months of questions, questions, and more questions interrputing every lecture day after day, intra-classroom tension was reaching it's boiling point. The increasing question frequency was increasingly being matched by a collection of moans, grunts, and monkey noises (yes, I actually participated in that, with a certain Mr. Patel) during question-asking time. Obviously, this pent up anger between the people who ask questions in class and...well...the other 98% of the class was bound to spill over somewhere. However, I must admit that I did not expect that this tension would explode on the student message board of our class server (called ANGEL), which was only intended to be used for students to post questions, study guides, etc. for the benefit of other students.

While reading these posts, keep in mind that these writings reflect the thoughts of graduates from some of the finest universities in the world who are all currently in one of the finest (cough) medical schools in the world. This is a bit long, but I thought it was so funny when I first saw it I not only had to post a reply at the time (see the final post), I'm partially just putting this up here so it is saved somewhere for eternity. In other words, it's long, but I think it's worth the read

(Note: Anonymous posts are listed as "Anonymous". If a person put his or her name on the post, it will be labled as "Name Given", except for the first post, which requires a pseudonym so you know who instigated the whole damn thing in the first place, and the post I contributed, which is intelligently labled "My Post".)

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Thread title: please don't be so loud


Question Girl: It is so hard to focus on the lecture when everyone is giggling and talking through it. Come on, just one more week! If you don't want to pay attention to lecture, just don't come. Listen to the audio with the transcription and talk all you want if that is your learning style.

Anonymous: Get over yourself - We'll stop talking when you stop asking questions.

Anonymous: I don't like questions, but I think that talking during lecture is a bigger problem. Not only is it disrespectful to the other members of the class (as some people feel that asking questions is), it's disrespectful to the lecturer, who is trying very hard to give us a talk in a very short amount of time. The people in the back of the class aren't even trying anymore. Please try to stop talking.

Anonymous: Please don't generalize the back of the class as everyone who talks; most of us in the back actually aren't that disruptive.

Anonymous: Fine, i'll amend to "90% of the people who sit in the back, north side of the class". If its not you, I don't see why you're offended. Congratulations for doing what a normal, courteous person should be doing by not disrupting class.

Anonymous: actually, I think the correct statement should be, "50% of the people in the back are asleep, 25% listen, and 25% disruptive" =)

Anonymous: touche

Anonymous: How do you know what goes on in the back of the class if you don't sit there? How about 90% of the front of the class is self-righteous and annoying?

Anonymous: There has been a claim that not everyone who sits in the back of the class is disruptive. A reasonable assumption is that some of these non-disruptive "back of class" people don't like the noise any more than those evil "front of class, self-righteous, annoying" people. I'm one of those people. I like the people in the back, and I appreciate the occasional joke or quiet comment during class. Everyone in the class, front and back, engages in the odd whisper. However, there's just too much talking. People aren't just making single comments anymore. We've degenerated to the level that complete conversations about parties on the weekend, or Nomo's home run, or whatever, are going on. I think it has to stop. Tossing out all this garbage about "front of class" and "back of class", do you really think that talking so much is acceptable? You shouldn't disrupt class just because you feel other people are doing the same thing in a more annoying way. All that happens then is that we get slow (thanks to people in the front), noisy (thanks to people in the back), crappy lectures. Think about your peers, if not the professors.

Anonymous: I love you, Anonymous.

Anonymous: I think there is heightened stress as we are trying to prepare for a final that is retesting some of the material from block 4A (IE cranial nerves and facial muscles in anatomy, neural pathways and lesions in neuroanatomy). In addition, beaucoup material is being compacted into 50-minute segments. Do lecturers ever get to finish anymore? This could explain some of the tension some of us are feeling on this thread. However, there are some unresolved topics that could be addressed by our class president or MEC. What would be the most courteous and effective way to conduct lectures in our new curriculum? It is becoming increasingly apparent that questions impede lecturers from finishing. Some of the questions may be perceived as so off-topic, that people tune out and begin to have side conversations as a way of saying, "I already have enough to think about." (I'm not speaking for myself but I can empathize.)

Name Given: There definitely seems to be a lot of tension about what people perceive to be excessive noise and questions during lecture. As a short-term solution, maybe we could ALL make an effort to limit both noise and questions (that go beyond just clarifying concepts) for these last few days, so lecturers can get through their lectures unimpeded. In the mean time, I promise to try to figure out a way that we can resolve this problem in the long term. Until then, though, in the words of a great Angelino: "Can't we all just get along?"

Anonymous: To the person who responded at 5:37, I agree that the questions are out of hand, but it is immature and inappropriate for you to hide behind anonymity to launch a personal attack. It's called common courtesy. If you want others to show you courtesy by not asking their questions in lecture, please consider acting in kind.

Anonymous: To the person who responded at 11:18, Since you're so against anonymity, why don't you put your name down, and I'll meet you on the playground after class for a throwdown...

Anonymous: LOD [Letter of Distinction] for replier.

Anonymous: Ha , Ha. that's funnier than the girl trying to leave our lecture hall through the closet door today! [Editor's note: That actually happened. Perhaps some elaboration another day.]

Name Given: Can we QUIT doing the Anonymous thing!? It is really sad to see how we feel the freedom to start bashing each other under the mask of anonymity. You know that once your mouse button reaches to switch the Author from Joe Schmoe to Anonymous that your comment might be shameful and offensive. Please reconsider NOT posting if the comment is not designed to be constructive.

Name Given: [Original post too long, his summary line given] So in summary, noise- bad. Hate- bad. Questions- mostly bad.

Name Given: Questions that take the lecturer 2-4 minutes to answer (as one did this week) disrupt the flow of the lecture, regradless of whether they are "so off topic" or "simply to clarify." People should consider asking questions after lecture, or ask only ONE question per lecture.

My Post: as it was previously mentioned that we are all tired and at our limits in general, i suggest we all just take a step back and appreciate the beautiful things in life in order to calm down a bit. for starters, i recommend this picture of lindsay lohan: http://tjnr.web1000.com/lindsaylohan2.html
[Editor's Note: The picture associated with this link is no longer up. But the picture I posted looked a bit something like this.]

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The moral of this story? It's one thing to let your emotions get the better of you, but it's an entirely different thing to put that pent up emotional frustration in writing for everyone to see, read, and comment on.

Oh. Wait. Fuck.

11 Comments:

Anonymous Kim said...

Apparently I'm contributing to the problem rather than solving it, but I distinctly remember writing this one...

Anonymous: To the person who responded at 11:18, Since you're so against anonymity, why don't you put your name down, and I'll meet you on the playground after class for a throwdown...

11:27 PM  
Blogger Atalanta said...

Wow.. :)

8:29 PM  
Anonymous Doctor J said...

This sounds exactly like my first two years of medical school. I was part of the "slacker in the back" crew. We also had a question person (who happened to be Mormon), and to top it off a girl sat in the middle of the front row and knit...that's right, she knit sweaters and do-rags and blankets every day for two years. Very odd...

9:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW, i've been reading these blogs off and on now.. but this one really makes me realize i'm pretty much another family practice guy. The whole back of the class arguing with the front makes my day.

9:54 PM  
Anonymous Adrian said...

Yes, one of my lecturers this semester has constructed a Wiki for his course. He's tempting fate!

This will only end in tears.

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